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    Question Problems with white paint...

    I am getting consistent results from my black Createx paint , but am having trouble with white. Out of the bottle it seems too thick and my flow is poor(the color comes out in a rough stipple pattern). I reduced it Down to milk and then I get the spider legs. I lowered the pressure and that helped a bit but I am still way happier with my blacks. Is there a better paint/reducer ratio for white? I was doing the wrinkles texture tutorial and was feeling pretty good about it, when I tried adding some highlights it starts looking unnatural...somehow both underdone and overdone at once.

    Also, can one reduce Createx paint with just water or is the createx reducer necessary.

    Also, does anyone have a cool way to precisely reduce paint. I thought about using a seringe to mix so many parts paint to so many parts reducer? Anyway thanks for any suggestions in advance!

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    White colour is in general much more difficult to master than other colors. Which line of createx white are u using (wicked opaque, wicked detail, ordinary createx, auto air, ...)?
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    I think white is probably one of the trickiest to use. You should strain it ( I say should, cos Im too lazy Lol), and it needs to be thoroughly shaken, as the pigment will settle a lot. If you over reduce, you will need to do light layers and build up the colour slowly. I use Wicked, and reduce 1droppaint:3 drops 0100 wicked reducer, and spray at 20 psi. I use the reducer as it also acts as a quick drying agent, you can literally see it work, and become almost instantly touch dry, which saves a lot of time. The more you reduce the less tip dry you get, but more layers will be needed to build up colour. I tend to just accept a certain amount of tip dry, and just get into the habit of pinching of the needle tip from time to time.

    As with all spraying, make sure your gun is meticulously clean. But even more so when using white, the pigment will cling and build up on the teeniest speck of c***, and your nozzle will block up in no time. If you have a cutaway handle on your gun, pull back the needle from time to time, and spray heavily onto a bit of old rag or something to keep it clear.

    Apart from that, just practise, practise, and then practise some more until you get the feel of it. Good Luck!

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    Hello Mr. Pingi,

    Thanks for your reply! Right now I am just using the ordinary Createx on gessoed masonite. I read a post by Mitch about the wicked/wicked detail white working nicely. I might give them a try, but would like to figure out the stuff I have. I am still very new to airbrushing and I am sure that I am trying to run before I can crawl a little bit. How much do you reduce your white and at what pressure do you achieve your best results?

    Thanks again!

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    Hello Squishy,
    Thanks for your reply! I am going to give it a try with the one to three drop ratio at 20psi. I am still very new to airbrushing, so I am sure that a good deal of my problems are due to not having a strong enough feel for it yet. Thanks for your information!

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    20 psi seems pretty low for water-based paints? I think it's going to matter what size tip you're spraying out of as well, when I'm spraying out of my micron I over-reduce white like crazy-but if I'm out of my HP-C for fill/background spray I can barely reduce the paint, crank the PSI and cut clean lines. Keep in mind T-Shirt guys spray 30-50psi range, there is a video of this on coastairbrushtv you can check out as well. He's right, definitely strain your paint, and there is gun lube you can get as well and that tends to help with paint building up on your needle and does not cause spidering.

    Before any real answers though, what airbrush are you using? What size is the tip?

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    Thanks for writing!
    I am using an Iwata Hi line with a 0.3mm tip. I am using acrylic primed Masonite sanded to an eggshell finish. It takes the black very nicely. I was practicing skin wrinkles with the airbrush tutor pdf download. It looked pretty nice until the white...then it looked way off. I built the black up nice and slow. The white at the same consistency came out way too aggressively at first and was sputters... A bit like snow too. I then tried to thin it down little by little and I reduced the pressure thinking that I could build slower and more transparently, which worked at first , but then it spidered a few times in places that messed it up in a way that didn't seem correctable. I think I just need to practice a lot mor and get used to it. What was the name of that lubricant by the way?

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    If you're thinning it and reducing it at the same time you may over-do it on the thinning process. ALWAYS WRITE DOWN YOUR RATIOS! On all my pre-mixed bottles I wrote down how many drops of paint to reducer, in which case I can always make more and if I know 100% sure that sprays perfect for me, if at some point it isn't spraying right I know it isn't the paint. Iwata makes their own line of airbrush/spray gun lube, can be ordered through any site. I use CoastAirbrush.

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    To be honest I don't know if 20 psi seems low or not, I just know it works for me, Lol. I use an Iwata hp cs, and (famous last words) don't usually have too much trouble. Spidering occurs if too much paint is applied in one spot, whether it's because it's thin and too heavy a layer is painted, or because the needle was too static, (not enough movement in the hand),or because there could've been a slight blockage which suddenly clears allowing a build up of paint to come out. .100_2718 (600x800).jpg I did this with wicked white, at 1drop paint:3 drops reducer at 20psi, but I know I've looked at other people's set up and it hasn't worked for me, I guess there's a certain amount of finding a balance between your technique and your mixtures, and the only way to get that balance is by time, trial and tribulation. God knows I'm still learning, and that's the beauty of airbrushing, always something new to learn.

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    Spidering is too high of PSI or too close to the surface for the PSI. Paint too thick will cause grain-like texture, and too thin of paint can cause an effect very close to spidering.

    Quote Originally Posted by Squishy View Post
    To be honest I don't know if 20 psi seems low or not, I just know it works for me, Lol. I use an Iwata hp cs, and (famous last words) don't usually have too much trouble. Spidering occurs if too much paint is applied in one spot, whether it's because it's thin and too heavy a layer is painted, or because the needle was too static, (not enough movement in the hand),or because there could've been a slight blockage which suddenly clears allowing a build up of paint to come out. .100_2718 (600x800).jpg I did this with wicked white, at 1drop paint:3 drops reducer at 20psi, but I know I've looked at other people's set up and it hasn't worked for me, I guess there's a certain amount of finding a balance between your technique and your mixtures, and the only way to get that balance is by time, trial and tribulation. God knows I'm still learning, and that's the beauty of airbrushing, always something new to learn.

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