Realistic hair/fur technique - other than scratching?

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Hi my friends...
I'm sorry if the above threat is at wrong place...

Basically I'm not a big fan of scratching the paint to make such pleasant realistic hair look - I wish I could learn any other technique to achieve similar effect, but without scratching the paint...

The idea is that, if I start painting the ceramics, glass or mirror's surface, maybe automotive... car or bike parts...

I don't wish to start scratching the layer of my paint but rather be able to create very same effect by my airbrush technique rather.

Does it exist ;)
Other technique than scratching ;)
Could you provide me with some links to learn it please ?

Thanks a lot for any suggestions and help ;)
 
Exact same results? Probably not. Similar, or workable, yes - there are many ways to skin a cat. I started painting LONG before scratching was a technique commonly used in airbrushing, but have used several other methods to render the same sort of effects.

In the early days, I used to use a technical pen, or Rapid-o-graph that I would load with white ink, and draw over a base layer of paint, let dry, and spray over it again - sometimes again and again, layering they same way you would if scratching to layer. Another method is to use liner brushes - they are very fine, long haired brushes that allow you to load them up with paint, and then pull very fine lines. Again, I use white ink, or paint, to layer on top of a base coat, then spray over and repeat until I have built the effect I am after. A piece Frisket with a single or several slices cut into it can become a mask for doing line work as fine as hair if you are careful when you apply it to, manipulate it into the forming very fine openings on the surface - then spraying through.

A bit of experimentation may bring you the results you are after- no scratching on the canvas painting included here, but there is a bit of liner work and layering to create the hair on the body of the bee. Hope this helps!

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Sorry I do not have a closer photo of the detail in the feathers on this, but I gave the painting away as Christmas gift. The feathers are largely done using a technical pen filled with Koh-i-noor opaque white ink drawn over a light base coat, then sprayed over again with transparent color. Again, hope this helps!

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You can erase on any substrate, there is a great video of a member here erasing on a car hood in the SBS section.
 
Exact same results? Probably not. Similar, or workable, yes - there are many ways to skin a cat. I started painting LONG before scratching was a technique commonly used in airbrushing, but have used several other methods to render the same sort of effects.

In the early days, I used to use a technical pen, or Rapid-o-graph that I would load with white ink, and draw over a base layer of paint, let dry, and spray over it again - sometimes again and again, layering they same way you would if scratching to layer. Another method is to use liner brushes - they are very fine, long haired brushes that allow you to load them up with paint, and then pull very fine lines. Again, I use white ink, or paint, to layer on top of a base coat, then spray over and repeat until I have built the effect I am after. A piece Frisket with a single or several slices cut into it can become a mask for doing line work as fine as hair if you are careful when you apply it to, manipulate it into the forming very fine openings on the surface - then spraying through.

A bit of experimentation may bring you the results you are after- no scratching on the canvas painting included here, but there is a bit of liner work and layering to create the hair on the body of the bee. Hope this helps!

14095871_1178865015489304_1666769066620226050_n.jpg
This is EXACTLY what I were after !
Thank you so much my friend , you've made my day ;) The idea is so simply ...
I will start to practice the technique for sure ;)
By technical pen do you mean ink pen?
Is it the same or I have to go for technical pen?
Forgive me please if this is stupid question but I've never ever been dealing with ink pens or such things so I don't know if this is the exactly same pen under two different names ;)
Thank you !
 
This is EXACTLY what I were after !
Thank you so much my friend , you've made my day ;) The idea is so simply ...
I will start to practice the technique for sure ;)
By technical pen do you mean ink pen?
Is it the same or I have to go for technical pen?
Forgive me please if this is stupid question but I've never ever been dealing with ink pens or such things so I don't know if this is the exactly same pen under two different names ;)
Thank you !
I'm just thinking whether It's ok to do the same thing just with airbrush strokes?
Top it up with white paint and carry on?
This is writing the beginner who haven't try the airbrush yet - please understand I don't know what I'm talking about yet ;)
 
Sorry I do not have a closer photo of the detail in the feathers on this, but I gave the painting away as Christmas gift. The feathers are largely done using a technical pen filled with Koh-i-noor opaque white ink drawn over a light base coat, then sprayed over again with transparent color. Again, hope this helps!

15727025_1321905051185299_8893048873458289745_n.jpg
At first I'm amazed with those two masterpieces...
I haven't seen such great arts done by pastel pencils or graphite...
I hit my chest right now because I might have seen such detailed and realistic work but I can't remember at the moment...
Your example arts are pictures like to me and I wish to learn to one day create something similar to yours ;)
So I'm going to search eBay on my meal break time for technical pen and opaque white Koch-I-Noor ink then...
I think the thinner the better?
Can I get 0.3mm as well?
I'll try to find it ;)
MASSIVE THANK YOU ;)
 
Sorry I do not have a closer photo of the detail in the feathers on this, but I gave the painting away as Christmas gift. The feathers are largely done using a technical pen filled with Koh-i-noor opaque white ink drawn over a light base coat, then sprayed over again with transparent color. Again, hope this helps!

15727025_1321905051185299_8893048873458289745_n.jpg
I've found this pen on Amazon UK ;
Rapidograph Sts Steel Pen 3165 3x0/.25
-I'm confused with the last part,it says 3x0.25 ...
I can understand the thickness of 0.25 but what does it mean 3x ?
I'm sorry bothering you but it's for nearly £40 so I need to make sure it's making very fine lines ...
Thanks ;)
 
You can erase on any substrate, there is a great video of a member here erasing on a car hood in the SBS section.
Erasing sounds good !
It's better than scratching (from my point of view).
I'm aware that erasing might cause smudging...
I were erasing on my graphite drawings ;)
Thanks my friend ;)
 
A splayed out fan brush can do feathers fairly well. And likely the easiest way for a beginner.
However the level of detail you see on some of these are easier with erasing and scratching in many cases.
All can be done using different techniques. But eventually you will find a preference
 
Good point with that too!
I need to test few options to find my way, as you already know ;)
I've started this topic to find out other methods ...
Thanks to you and others, I know there is plenty different ways of creating realistic hair/fur effect avoiding mechanical technique.
This is what I needed to know ;)
The rest is just finding my way ;)
Thank you ;)
 
I've found this pen on Amazon UK ;
Rapidograph Sts Steel Pen 3165 3x0/.25
-I'm confused with the last part,it says 3x0.25 ...
I can understand the thickness of 0.25 but what does it mean 3x ?
I'm sorry bothering you but it's for nearly £40 so I need to make sure it's making very fine lines ...
Thanks ;)

Rapid-o-graphs are indeed expensive :cry:. I purchased some that are like an introductory model (same company, less features), and were cheaper - I will have to look them up, and will come back in and edit the post with the info later on. The point sizes on the pens are indicated in terms of size by whole numbers. 1, 2, 3 etc. The smaller the point, the lower the number so they run 3, 2, 1, 0. They do not stop at zero though, so the finer ones are indicated like - 2x0, 3x0, 4x0 - the higher the number "x"0 the smaller the tip. A 3x0 is a very fine line. I have been using a 1 or a 0 for most of my stuff. While I may like to go finer, there is no guarantee the pigment of the white ink will flow through the point...
 
Rapid-o-graphs are indeed expensive :cry:. I purchased some that are like an introductory model (same company, less features), and were cheaper - I will have to look them up, and will come back in and edit the post with the info later on. The point sizes on the pens are indicated in terms of size by whole numbers. 1, 2, 3 etc. The smaller the point, the lower the number so they run 3, 2, 1, 0. They do not stop at zero though, so the finer ones are indicated like - 2x0, 3x0, 4x0 - the higher the number "x"0 the smaller the tip. A 3x0 is a very fine line. I have been using a 1 or a 0 for most of my stuff. While I may like to go finer, there is no guarantee the pigment of the white ink will flow through the point...
I were scared you might call me silly, but I'm happy I did ask that question !
How would I guess how to work the numbers out without your help to understand ...
I think this is why this particular pen is so expensive - it's very fine point ;)
Thanks a lot ;)
 
Erasing does not smudge paint like it does with charcoal/lead.
It gradually takes layers off until you have your desired look/effect.
 
Erasing does not smudge paint like it does with charcoal/lead.
It gradually takes layers off until you have your desired look/effect.
Lol ;)
Good to know it !!!
Cheers for letting me know the difference between graphite and the paint ;)
 
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