Richpen Phoenix and Gemini airbrushes

[DaveG]

@Vladimir you asked about these two brushes a while back. I am now in a better position to comment on them . They are made just like the Olympos SP series of brushes. They incorporate nozzle caps that are Micron like - however, they are not interchangeable with either Iwata and Olympos parts. The Richpen parts are larger diameter, and different threads. Attention to detail is evident, and the finishes seem to be extremely well done.

 

[Vladimir]

That's cool Dave!
What you're writing is what I thought. But not interchangeable parts are surprise, I think it's just marketing.
Have you pulled the line already? How's the control etc?
Where have you got these from, e-bay or.. that shop?
How do you find the grip? It seems, it should be better than any other has.

 

[DaveG]

That's cool Dave!
What you're writing is what I thought. But not interchangeable parts are surprise, I think it's just marketing.
Have you pulled the line already? How's the control etc?
Where have you got these from, e-bay or.. that shop?
How do you find the grip? It seems, it should be better than any other has.

Unlike many of the other Japanese brushes that originate from Fuso Seiki- while these brushes use similar construction, they are physically different. An Olympos Micron is the same as an Iwata Micron, minus a few key specs around the nozzle or nozzle cap, and needle. These brushes are completely different, although they will accept the same nozzles and needles - the bodies are larger diameter on these (12mm vs.11mm). Most of the threads are a different size, etc...

I have done some preliminary spray tests, and they work well. The Phoenix (the A Cup) will produce perhaps the finest line I have gotten out of a brush. All of the paper work included eludes to the brushes design aimed at working at lower air pressure, but I have not seen that to be necessarily true. At a decent medium pressure(using a MAC valve), it will produce a very nice, very fine line. In comparison, the lines created by an Olympos will appear a bit fuzzy, especially on the edges. Iwata, a bit thicker, and darker, but with very clean edges...

I'll be working more with these over the next few days.

 

[Vladimir]

I wonder what further data will show.

 

[DaveG]

I wonder what further date will show.

I've worked with both brushes for a couple of hours this afternoon. I am quite pleased with them both. The 212A is a .2, while the 313C is a .3. In application, there is very little between them - both will produce some very fine lines, and both atomize paint very smoothly, and evenly.

I will break them down and photograph everything in the next few days. Needles are 1.2mm diameter with long, sharp tapered points. They do differ for each brush. The taper on the .2 version is longer than the .3 version. Very, very fine points - that do not seem to be as delicate as the Olympos needles. I really don't want to find out . The needle caps have three holes in them, which help redirect air flow when you get close to the surface. You can just rest the edge of the needle cap on the surface, and pull lines all day long. Removing them doesn't really net anything, and the needle remains protected.

I did change the air valve spring, which seems to the be same used in most Japanese brushes, and adjusted the needle spring - which is adjustable the same way as the Microns.

 

[jord001]

I've got a 113c and a Mike Learn Mojo customised 213c. Both have soft air valve springs too. They both spray really nicely especially the 213, sadly the 113 is a little work worn around the trigger and it doesn't move as smooth as it should but it still works fine.

Lee

 

[DaveG]

I've got a 113c and a Mike Learn Mojo customised 213c. Both have soft air valve springs too. They both spray really nicely especially the 213, sadly the 113 is a little work worn around the trigger and it doesn't move as smooth as it should but it still works fine.

Lee

The 113C is the Apollo series? - You may be able to use Iwata HP-C parts to bring that one back up to snuff - if you so choose. The Apollo series and compatible Iwata brushes share many of the same parts, with nozzles, and nozzle caps being proprietary. The 213 does not have an equivalent Iwata model. although Iwata nozzles should fit without issue. Working on adding a 312B to the pair I already received. Fingers crossed!

 

[jord001]

You do like to have those full sets Dave. Yes, Iwata nozzles and needles fit My 113 trigger is worn and drags on the side of the slot so I'm guessing it would take a new body to fix the problem or possibly a wider stem on the trigger, But it works and I don't use it much so I can live with it. Good licj with your hunt for a 'b' ..

Lee

 

[Mitya Ka]

Unlike many of the other Japanese brushes that originate from Fuso Seiki- while these brushes use similar construction, they are physically different. An Olympos Micron is the same as an Iwata Micron, minus a few key specs around the nozzle or nozzle cap, and needle. These brushes are completely different, although they will accept the same nozzles and needles - the bodies are larger diameter on these (12mm vs.11mm). Most of the threads are a different size, etc...

I have done some preliminary spray tests, and they work well. The Phoenix (the A Cup) will produce perhaps the finest line I have gotten out of a brush. All of the paper work included eludes to the brushes design aimed at working at lower air pressure, but I have not seen that to be necessarily true. At a decent medium pressure(using a MAC valve), it will produce a very nice, very fine line. In comparison, the lines created by an Olympos will appear a bit fuzzy, especially on the edges. Iwata, a bit thicker, and darker, but with very clean edges...

I'll be working more with these over the next few days.

Dave can you please tell me what is the thread on the needle cap in the Phoenix and Gemini brushes? I know it is different from Iwata micron and Olympos SP, MP which have the same M4x0.5 thread.

 

[DaveG]

Dave can you please tell me what is the thread on the needle cap in the Phoenix and Gemini brushes? I know it is different from Iwata micron and Olympos SP, MP which have the same M4x0.5 thread.

I'll double check when I get into the studio, but believe they are the same. I purchased a dozen or so of the "eyelet" needle caps from the Gemini that I have used on other Iwata and Olympos brushes.

 

[Mitya Ka]

I'll double check when I get into the studio, but believe they are the same. I purchased a dozen or so of the "eyelet" needle caps from the Gemini that I have used on other Iwata and Olympos brushes.

I saw a picture somewhere on the forum, and it seemed to me that Phoenix and Gemini have larger threads than Iwata and Olympos.

 

[DaveG]

I saw a picture somewhere on the forum, and it seemed to me that Phoenix and Gemini have larger threads than Iwata and Olympos.

I just grabbed these - Richpen Phoenix and Gemini, Olympos 100SB, and Iwata HP-SB - all wearing the Richpen Eyelet needle cap. Same threads. Where the Richpens vary against either a Micron or Olympos SP is in the nozzle cap. They are larger diameter in the Richpen vs. the two other brands.

 

[Mitya Ka]

Found, your post, and judging by it, the micron nozzles of Iwata, Olympos, Creos and RichPen have the same threads, except for some peculiarities of each company.

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[DaveG]

Ok, I get it now, we have been talking about two different things - The "needle cap" threads on all of them is M4x0.5mm.

The Richpen has a larger diameter "nozzle cap" vs. Olympos or Iwata (Micron or SP models).


The Richpen nozzle cap is an M5x0.5mm thread size -


While the Iwata Micron and Olympos Micron and SP nozzle caps are an M4x0.5mm thread size

 

[Mitya Ka]

Ok, I get it now, we have been talking about two different things - The "needle cap" threads on all of them is M4x0.5mm.

The Richpen has a larger diameter "nozzle cap" vs. Olympos or Iwata (Micron or SP models).
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The Richpen nozzle cap is an M5x0.5mm thread size -
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While the Iwata Micron and Olympos Micron and SP nozzle caps are an M4x0.5mm thread size
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Thank you very much for the detailed explanation