Hp-cs vs Patriot 105

Ok, I caved! I bought an hp-c+, new from Japan. I'm like a cat sometimes...curiosity gets the best of me. Now, remember, I am a newbie and have lots to learn. I first ran some thinner through it to get a feel for the trigger and clean it out a bit. I put the crown cap I bought on and then put a bit of Tamiya green to do some dots and dashes. From the get go, I had splattering at 20 psi and severe fouling of the tip. I hadn't thinned the paint yet. I then cleaned it, put a bit of thinned paint through. Still getting the splattering.
Then tried thinned Auto air transparent. It didn't seem to splatter painting small dots.
As I type this, I think it might be too low pressure for small dots. Am I on track? Hope so.
Once again, thanks to everyone for the advice. Been fun.
 
At 20psi you need quite thin paint. I would have advised against the HP line as the nozzle is a pain to clean.
 
AndreZA said:
At 20psi you need quite thin paint. I would have advised against the HP line as the nozzle is a pain to clean.
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It is interesting that you are nearly the first person to down-talk the HP. It seems almost everyone else on this site has an HP-CS. What brush do you use?
 
I'm not talking it down, just saying not suited for a beginner. There is a difference between the HP-CS and the HP line. HP-CS, of which I have one and recommend for beginners, is in the Eclipse line. The HP-C+ that you got, is in the High Performance line. Eclipse line has an easy to remove drop-in nozzle and the HP line has a screw in one.
 
AndreZA said:
I'm not talking it down, just saying not suited for a beginner. There is a difference between the HP-CS and the HP line. HP-CS, of which I have one and recommend for beginners, is in the Eclipse line. The HP-C+ that you got, is in the High Performance line. Eclipse line has an easy to remove drop-in nozzle and the HP line has a screw in one.
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I thought I had done my homework before the purchase. I'll figure out how to handle it with a little time. I do like the weight and balance of it. The action is smooth compared to my Badger 105, yet similar to my Sotar. Thanks for the advise.
 
All my Iwata's have screw in nozzles and I like that , I never found the need to remove a nozzle for cleaning besides that one time I forgot to clean my HP SB after I spayed etac AG 2050 and it dried up in the nozzle . I had to un screw it and give it a good soak in alcohol and it was perfect again.
My point is : if you flush your brush after every session you wont have a problem with that brush
 
Ronald art said:
My point is : if you flush your brush after every session you wont have a problem with that brush
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That depends on the paint used.
I have had to remove my nozzles multiple times to clean them using Wicked and Createx Illustration. ETAC EFX doesn't seem to cause the same issues, but not everyone uses it.
 
jagardn said:
That depends on the paint used.
I have had to remove my nozzles multiple times to clean them using Wicked and Createx Illustration. ETAC EFX doesn't seem to cause the same issues, but not everyone uses it.
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Until a while back I had never used wicked or illustration but I bought a bottle of Illustration black and white to try out, what I found strange was that with the same thinning of around 5:1 my HP-BH clogged a lot and I had to do as you say here, but with the micron I had no problem at all, not even tip dry, yet the micron has a slightly smaller nozzle so I would have expected it to be the other way round, but I would assume that the better head design and atomisation of the micron is what makes the difference?

I had immediate problems with the white illustration with both brushes so that had to get lobbed, my com-art white gives less problems, what I really don't understand is why if I mix any white at all with another colour I have no issues other than a little (easy to handle) tip dry.
 
Do you get issues with the white immediately Mr Mad? Not that I've used Illustration, but with Wicked I find it can settle quite quickly, and as long as I shake the cup every now and then, I have no issues at all, (in both the hp-cs and micron) and very very little in the way of tip dry. Mind you that wouldn't explain why the micron works better than your HP-BH, like you say, it's probably just better atomisation. Black however... I always have issues with black *sigh*
 
Squishy said:
Do you get issues with the white immediately Mr Mad? Not that I've used Illustration, but with Wicked I find it can settle quite quickly, and as long as I shake the cup every now and then, I have no issues at all, (in both the hp-cs and micron) and very very little in the way of tip dry. Mind you that wouldn't explain why the micron works better than your HP-BH, like you say, it's probably just better atomisation. Black however... I always have issues with black *sigh*
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It's always as soon as I start to use it and no matter how much I thin it, I usually avoid the use of it altogether other than mixing.
 
Weird. I love it, I use it all the time for under painting on bikes with dark backgrounds. Actually, in all honesty, it's probably me that's weird.
 
Yes, sorry, Wicked. Maybe the Illustration is different, although to be honest I assumed it was a finer pigment. But I always make an ass out of you and me lollollol. The Illustration is re-wettable and better for erasing isn't it? So maybe it really does behave a lot differently flow wise- I just thought that if anything it would spray easier. I guess I shouldn't assume :laugh:
 
Squishy said:
Yes, sorry, Wicked. Maybe the Illustration is different, although to be honest I assumed it was a finer pigment. But I always make an ass out of you and me lollollol. The Illustration is re-wettable and better for erasing isn't it? So maybe it really does behave a lot differently flow wise- I just thought that if anything it would spray easier. I guess I shouldn't assume :laugh:
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I'm probably writing it off too soon, but remember your cmc has a Larger nozzle, I'll have to try the wicked just to see if there is a huge difference, white has always been a problem for me, even Schminke which is actually an ink but there has to be at least one that works for me, in the meantime my comart white gets what little I need done with a lot less hassle than anything else I've used.

My only issue with comart is the difficulty trying to find larger loose bottles rather than the silly little sets, I prefer to mix my own colours from the three primaries.
 
Ah yes I do have the .23 so that probs makes a big difference too. Plus as I'm a tight ass and don't want to spend out on a different paint system, I have stuck with Wicked for so long that it is just second nature to me. (apart from black, which does give me the swears now and then).

Have you tried these guys for Com-art?? I have used them before for other things, and been happy with the service. Looks like they carry quite a big range. If you go to opaques (or trans - whatever) and click on the 'choose options' on each colour, you can choose bigger sizes. Up to 448 ml for opaque white - I don't know if that's bigger than what you have? Other colours go up to 3.6ltrs! Why the white doesn't I don't know.

http://www.graphicair.co.uk/categories/Airbrush-Paint/ComArt-Paints/
 
So, it appears I made a good purchase of the HP-C+. Just may take a bit to learn the art of using it. I've watched several videos on the brush and all looks good to me. Looking forward to getting to know it.
 
Dale Wilson said:
So, it appears I made a good purchase of the HP-C+. Just may take a bit to learn the art of using it. I've watched several videos on the brush and all looks good to me. Looking forward to getting to know it.
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Oh no doubt. You will use it for the next 20 years. Just be careful when you remove and replace the nozzle.
 
AndreZA said:
Oh no doubt. You will use it for the next 20 years. Just be careful when you remove and replace the nozzle.
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I have a hand towel that I always lay on the bench before pulling a brush apart, no bounced or rolling bits to find on the floor
 
JackEb said:
I have a hand towel that I always lay on the bench before pulling a brush apart, no bounced or rolling bits to find on the floor
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That's good because the nozzle is tiny. But you can very easily break off the thread of the nozzle inside the airbrush. That's why with the Eclipse, you never take a tool anywhere near the head.
 
I've had to clean out the head on my Krome several times using Wicked paint, and it's as small as the Iwatas but a drop in, I flush it out a lot after each use but the Wicked, especially when using w500 gets clogged easy.
 
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