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K33 vs regular needle - real world difference?

Discussion in 'Airbrushes' started by huskystafford, May 21, 2020.


  1. huskystafford

    huskystafford Needle chucking Ninja Staff Member Admin Very Likeable!

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    anybody have experience with this? Price difference is hugeeeeeeee -.-
    100 euros vs 25 pounds...

    https://www.foxystudio.com/product/marissa-k33-0-18mm-fluid-needle/
    https://www.air-craft.net/acatalog/Iwata-5404-0.-18mm-Needle.html#SID=1484
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    i know @musicmacd has one... im sure he’ll pop in shortly :)
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    huskystafford Needle chucking Ninja Staff Member Admin Very Likeable!

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    thank you for tagging him. You are pure gold! :laugh:
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    I've got one. I m glad I bought it, but I will not buy another for my other Micron(s). Switching to E'tac from CI was a more dramatic difference, and works in all of my brushes ;).
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    So what user gains if he buys k33? Less tip dry? or?
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    Less tip dry, but not huge amount. The main thing I found was that it’s so hard you never bend them. I’ve had about 5 and dropped them all and can’t afford another one. Gone back to normal needles Due to price :)
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    What do you mean with word dropped them? Dropped them on the floor? or? Did they went to hell when they kiss the floor?
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    huskystafford Needle chucking Ninja Staff Member Admin Very Likeable!

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    Before I check your link Jackie, got another weird question. I noticed on picture add for difference between k33 and regular. So if you bend needle can sharpen air fix it back? The reason I am asking this is, cause it looks like sharpen air would destroy that nice ''polish microscope add look'' on that k33.
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    Kim McCann Needle-chuck Ninja

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    I polish my own needles using a dremmel, metal polish and finish with jewellers paste. Under a loupe they look smoother than the k33. I can use needles from the procyon that are only 20 bucks and a few pennies worth of polish.

    So I am not sure what the advantage of these are.

    I guess if you don't want to polish your own they make sense.

    I've heard they are harder tho, so maybe that makes them worth it.

    Still, I can buy a bunch of needles and polish them up for that price.

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    huskystafford Needle chucking Ninja Staff Member Admin Very Likeable!

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    100 euros is a lot for a needle. I am just reading that thread which Jackie linked. Diamond polish looks good.

    Edit: I take this back. Just noticed post where Vladimir sad diamond paste is a no go :laugh:
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    I read that thread Jackie. Good read, learned something new again. :thumbsup:

    I also noticed K33 needles are like wine. The older they are, more expensive they are. K33 was 83 Euros in 2017. :whistling:
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    From memory they kissed the floor :)

    i do have a k33 but i have so many issues with createx that i went back to standard needles until i can get consistent paint flowing (bad combo of lack of time and a non climate controlled paint space) then i dont expect to see any noticeable difference.
    I have bought some cheapo needles to practice my polishing... i have a dremel and felt pads so it will be an interesting experiment
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    I have a K33 needle and I like it with etac paints that is but there is indeed 1 downside to this needle it is hard and it will break if you drop it I am now using a softer and flexible needle from @Robbyrockett2 but he hasnt been here in ages and I dont know if he still sells these needles but @JackEb will know
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    I have the K33 needle that came with my CM-SB. And I've used the regular .18mm needle.
    The K33 is definitely harder and smoother. But not worth the 100 euros in my opinion.
    I switched to the much less expensive .15mm "version 2" Harder and Steenbeck needle . It's a much harder needle with a fine double taper tip.
    I've dropped it, bumped it and didn't bend. It's not indestructible, because I have bumped one hard and did bend but so far it last a lot longer than the regular .18 and .15 V1. But the .15mm Version 2 does need to be polished. I use a dremel, polishing pad and paste... well worth the time and cost savings.
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    Good info.

    Is this the one you are using?
    https://www.air-craft.net/acatalog/Harder-Steenbeck-123920-0.15mm-Needle.html#SID=2059

    How does that transfer to real experience? Does it stick out more, out of the nozzle then regular micron one?
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    Hi,... yes that's the one I use.
    It's very close in taper, but yes it sticks out a tiny bit more but not past the crown cap. It works perfectly in my CM-SB. You might need to tighten the needle packing screw a tiny bit for the .15mm. Also, depending on the handle you have you might need to clip the back end of the .15mm needle to fit
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    you use pads like this for polishing?
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    sry for little of topic, I have issues with off topics. I get carried away easily :rolleyes:
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    Yes,... I use the soft felt pads, with the demel polish.
    I like the wide flat ones, because of the larger surface area on the top.
    I clamp the dremel pointing up with the flat felt disc. I put the needle on the top flat side that is moving away from me and carefully rotate the needle with my fingers every time I touch the pad to make sure it polishes evenly.
    If you feel you're having trouble with it, contact me and I send you a very quick video.
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    I tried only polishing with hand :D
    I am so noob -.- What kinda paste do you use? Videos are always welcomed, you didn't even needed to ask that. Video please :laugh:
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