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Micron vs. Infinity

Discussion in 'Airbrushes' started by pcDoc, Sep 21, 2015.


  1. AndreZA

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    If there is something on a Micron you don't like means that you are wrong. No ifs or buts.
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    The Micron is certainly one of the best ABs, but that doesn't mean it is perfect! Especially when it comes to personal preference! ;)

    Just to use one example: The needle limiter of the Evo/Infinity can be adjusted and then you can activate or deactivate it without touching the adjustment. That seems not to be possible on the Micron. So you need to find your adjustment every time from scratch. Nothing really bad, but that I find very comfortable on the Evo!

    But far to early for me to judge on a device I have received a couple of hours ago.
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    That limiter is just for show, nobody uses it. You bought a Micron, you should be able to control lines by now.* I actually wish I can get a handle without a limiter.





    *just pulling your leg.
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    And you are absolutely right about that! Thing is, that with the Evo I was using the limiter quite extensively for the really small details, as I simply couldn't manage that manually (mainly because of the "delayed" response of the trigger). With the Micron, even it was just a couple of lines, it is really much easier to control as the paint comes immediately on the tiniest bit of movement on the trigger. I was really surprised how easy! And on the Evo it was more like: nothing-nothing- too much. On the Micron it fells more like: nothing - a very tiny bit of paint- slowly getting more and very smooth transition between nothing and paint, which is not the case on the Evo. There you need to move the trigger about 1mm and still nothing, than 0,5mm (just feels like almost nothing) to move for the really fine detail, coming pretty abrupt. Now having said that, it sounds like the Evo is really bad! It is not and when spraying at "normal" size, even smaller things you will not even notice it. Only if it comes to REALLY fine details, and this is what feels much easier on the micron!

    So it might well be that I don't use the limiter with that gun, but as I said time will tell.
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    So here's how I unscrewed the CM head. I also unscrewed back side of the CM body that part where spring mechanism moves. I also couldn't take it off with the fingers only. Now I can do that but CM comes from the factory a bit overtightened I'd say:)
    BTW Olympos Micron head unscrewed with fingers;)

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    And I've promised above to show my way of cleaning iwata SB cups.

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    @Vladimir: Thanks for the pics!

    Fun is over... When I cleaned it and assembled it again the nozzle broke. I just VERY gently tightened it up as I new this is a fragile part, but even with applying almost no force it broke. I really hope that this was bad luck with getting a bad one, but this certainly doesn't stand for quality and/or a design error. :evil:

    That means another week to wait for a replacement nozzle, which costs me half the price of a complete Evo, on which I still use the same nozzle as I bought it 4 years ago. So much to the longer life of the Iwata nozzle and its better material... So far I really disappointed by the quality compared to the Evo!

    But to say also something positive, the trigger control is really much better!

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    Damn, that sucks. But if I may ask, why did you remove it?
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    @pcDoc as crap as that is it happens to the best of us, well most of us. Dont let it dis-hearten you mate. Ive put four new ones on mine in about a yer which could have bought a new one
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    For cleaning it. I think removing it with the fluid nozzle head doesn't really give good access to the nozzle for cleaning. But at the moment I would prefer to have a not 100% clean, rather than a broken one...

    Btw, what is that red stuff?
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    Thanks, but to be honest if I break another one in the next year I will sell it immediately. I pay so much attention to not break it, but if it breaks again like that, this is a design problem. I never broke a needle nor a nozzle on my Evo in 4 years and this within the first day.
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    How did ya tighten it?? You shld really only hand tighten it.
    when i said im on my fourth i shld have said the damage was my fault and at the tip. But my first ever AB was a cheapo and i sheard the nozzle like that after 3 mins, i didnt even get spraying lol
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    I tightened it by hand and then with the tool it came with, but there was not really any force needed to turn which is why I stopped immediately and took it off again to check.
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    I clean mine with a long rigger/liner brush while still on the head. That is why I will never recommend a HP, Hi-line, Revolution or Neo. With all of them you have to remove the nozzle with the tool and people break them if not careful.
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    I dont think most do not remove the nozzles on those. I could be wrong. I intend to treat mine as one piece at all times.
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    Kept me from ever considering a high line.
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    On another note since ive had my olympos, i have only even removed the head assembly once. Because of the way the bottom is designed any heavier settled solids do not get to the needle.
    My eclipse gets the nozzles pulled just about every time i use it.. not that it takes more than seconds.
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    Huh, I haven't removed the nozzle on my Eclipse SBS since the first cleaning out of the box. Been using it almost daily for a month or more with just the normal flushing I do when cleaning up after each painting session.

    I only remove the nozzle on my brushes if they aren't acting right.
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    haven't removed the nozzle on my Eclipse SBS since the first cleaning out of the box. Been using it almost daily for a month or more with just the normal flushing I do when cleaning up after each painting session.

    I only remove the nozzle on my brushes if they aren't acting right.[/QUOTE]
    My bcs gets really thick paints, and my cs gets wicked. With com art true I dont usually remove it. But its ridiculous easy. And I like removing my needle through the front to wipe it down then I reinsert from the back. Habit after I pulled paint back at the seal r and it let go and clogged my nozzle hard.
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    I forgot that you used Wicked, never mind. :)
    Denatured Alcohol just destroys the binder in Createx Illustration, so I rarely have to remove nozzles.
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    Sorry for your broken nozzle. I had the same situation with my first SB+, next day I had it the AB fell from the hanger on tiled floor and broken needle and both nozzles. I had to wait for the replacemets for a month and it costed me 100$. So I fully understand you.

    Red stuff is a sealant. I always removed it after the first AB session as I always remove the nozzles for cleaning it and also all paint passages inside the AB body.
    I had 5 HP+ and I had never broken the nozzle. When screwing it in it's enough to tighten the nozzle with the fingernails. And if using the spanner I hold it not by the grip but by the round part of the spanner and do that veeeery gently. I've never had any issues.
    Eclipse nozzle is just impossible to break, I can't imagive what should be done with the AB to break its nozzle. I mean when normally used.

    You just overtigtened the nozzle, I think, as you used to the H&S type and it needs more strenghts applied to be tightened.
    The next nozzle will be OK!;) Just don't overtighten it.

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