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Discussion in 'Airbrushes' started by ceezybeast, Oct 17, 2014.
Thoughts on this airbrush??
Mickey Harris seems to like it. But it's just a Badger/Vega and the 0.4 setup is too big for my liking
Sponsorship I'm sure... imo sata should stick to their hvlp guns they are awesome but their airbrushes are nothing special and have odd nozzle sizes and weird cup configuration.i was given one (not sure which) to test out awhile back and didn't like the way it felt trigger wise and the 1 piece trigger assembly is kinda weird. Does look a lot like an h&s and since sata is german engineered I'm sure that was the inspiration. Can't say it's a horrible airbrush but I think it belongs in the lower end class.
I had been thinking about one f these too, but unfortunately could not find any info about them online apart from Sata's own promo videos. There seems to be no real reviews out there that tell you anything more than what you'd get reading the standard catalog info on a vendor's website. Didn't feel comfy taking that risk.
Still curious, but only academically now. The time when it might have been relevant to me as far as purchasing goes is past.
Yeah its not common, I've seen a few ads in airbrush action but it's usually Jonathon pantaleon and he doesn't use that airbrush normally, and I've seen him do promo for dagr too but anytime he does videos or real work it's always an iwata and its even in his banners on his website. Doesn't matter what field it is corporate bs always creeps in. But hey who can blame them, if someone threw a bunch of money or supplies at me I would do the same in this day and age.
I think you have to look at as many reviews as you can... good ones are easy to spot, also you can see the "i'm doing this for cash or free gear" ones. They can all be informative, but get a good review from people who use the gear and show it working.
and yes i too would say any old shyte if it was to my advantage to say so
I can't see anything?
There you go
Look like the ugly duckling of airbrushes, methinks
Thanks mate, looks a bit unbalanced to me ....
Ideal for me then,
Lol. I do have to say though I like the trigger head design itself with the slope and machined edged. I have all my triggers cut just like that
Problem is in this case there are almost no reviews to begin with, and the ones that do exist say almost nothing. It's not a matter of filtering: info just isn't out there to begin with. When I was doing my research, I found IIRC only four reviews in total:
One online magazine review that repeated the same details any vendor's page would list, but did not talk about quality or capability at all (conspicuously so: it read like a product announcement rather than the review it was labeled as).
Two forum post reviews on other forums, both of which were just "I haven't used it much yet, but I like it" with zero details or other info. Basically just endorsements, not reviews.
Seamonkey's video, which with all due respect to Seamonkey (sincerely), did not contain any more info than the above.
It was actually kind of weird, as I could find in depth reviews on pretty much every other brush I was looking at, or at least of stuff from the same product line. With the Satagraph, the best info about the brushes' construction and such I found was in Satas promo videos, but of course you can't really trust a company's own testimony on their products' quality and capability.
Also, although the SG4 has apparently been out for 2 years or so, the actual Sata website hasn't been updated to show it. Going by the Sata website, the SG3 is still their latest model. That was a bit strange and IMO a red flag.
Yeah, def that. The SataGraph, H&S, and Iwata Micron+ all seem to have superior trigger button designs. Very first thing I did with my Eclipse was to make a custom ergonomic trigger pad for it.
I know this is an old tread. I actually bought this airbrush two years ago on Dave Monnig's recommendations. I asked him for a very good brush for basecoating scalemodels.
And to me it is up there with the HP-CS. It has been very consistent regarding different kind of acrylic paints as Vallejo, Tamiya and Gunze.
The needle and nozzle shows no sign of wear and the needle packing has not let any paint paint through to the back of the airbrush.
I know the most regarded automotive smart repair company we have in Oslo prefer this airbrush for automotive paint when filling tiny scratches.
I would recommend this as a very good airbrush for basecoating small and medium size objects. The only issue is that the only place I can find spareparts is from Coast airbrush.
I know this is years old thread but the Satagraph 4 is my favorite airbrush. For the past 40 years I've used every airbrush there is. I like the Satagraph 4 because its a workhorse. It does fine lines and great overall shading and even fades. One feature I like is the head seals. They never leak. I seldom have to tinker with it. It just works consistantly great.
I happy that you love the Sata, it’s nice to see some love for non iwata brushes now how about doing the polite thing and heading to the intro page
I have to say that from my experience, Satagraph doesn't look to make anything in regards to airbrushes- they just rebrand it. I was able to get myself a Gabbert German airbrush(Satagraph 2) off an eBay seller down south for just over a C note delivered to my door. I needed a new crown cap(thank you DaveG!) and I was off to the races. I can't see any reason to buy a slightly tweaked Badger as most of their line suffers from quality control issues and the Vega is nothing special at all. For what the retail is, I'd reccomend anything else over it. The warning flag for me is that 1)they are not Thayer & Chandler designed(a plus if it were only true) and 2)Badger didn't even have the stones to put their own name on it! Danger Will Robinson..Danger.....LOL
Chris the cabbie
The Satagraph4 is a whole different creature than a SATA2. The SATAgraph 4 has the best seals of any airbrush I've used. And with 40 years of airbrushing, I've used most. Right now I have 6 airbrushes set up in my studio and 2 are SATAgraph4's, 2 are Iwata Eclipses, and 2 are Badger Omni. My ability to keep a roof over my head depends on the dependability of the airbrushes I use. The SATA4's are workhorses. They get the job done and give me the least amount of issues. My airbrushes work an average of 60-80 hours a week. So say what you want, but the SATA4's work for me the best.
Sata has always branded other makers brushes when it comes to airbrushes. The Satagraph4 is made for Sata by Badger.
Clearly you did not read and understand what I stated in my post. At no time did I state a Satagraph 2 & 4 were identical. You did. I did state that Sata does not manufacture any airbrushes, they rebrand other makers brushes, still quite true. I own 16 airbrushes including some sweet vintage brushes and would put any of them up against any Badger product. My Wold A-137 and T&C A Elite are precision instruments and predate Badger and are still superior brushes. I can't say that about many in the Badger catalog these days as they no longer produce what they sell, they have others making the parts and they sell them often without even testing before shipping'em out. If you are happy with what you have, good for you and enjoy it.
I just will not let another Badger product through my door due due mediocre design and quality and will no longer choose to drink the Badger Koolaide. Need I remind the forum of many who bought Krome brushes that moulted their chrome finish off?! Seriously?? As much trouble as a Paasche can be to fettle for some, I have never seen a Paasche with bad chrome, EVER. They were also the first to make chrome finish standard in the industry as far back as the 1930's as the rest of the industry didn't follow suit until the late 1960's.
Chris the cabbie
Whoa this thread is turning ugly fast. Won't comment on SATA AB's (never used one), but I do know SATA does make some quality air accessories. And like the dude above with 40 years, I also make my living based on the reliability of my AB's. Now you could call me an iwata whore, but that would be like calling most mechanics (I used to be one of those too) Snap-on or MAC whores. AB's are tools, yes you can get the job "done" with tools from Harbor Frieght, but are they going to last 20+ years. Some "tool" makers are expensive to the layman, but a quality tool can be appreciated by an expert at their craft. I invest in quality tools, because I'm investing in myself, and my future.